Medicated or Unmedicated Birth? Learn the inside scoop on one mom’s experience with both & what she’d do next time


Medicated vs Unmedicated Birth. What kind of birth should I have?

(With Jen Blanchard, mama of 3)  Should I have a medicated birth or unmedicated birth? Great question. Why not  learn from one mom who’s willing to give the inside scoop on her experience with both. 

Jen will be the first to tell you that she had 3 pretty quick labors. What she’ll also share is that the Epidural (with her first two) was like her homeboy. The epidural worked like a charm without any issues.

She was curious though about natural childbirth. So Jen decided for her 3rd kiddo, she’d try for an unmedicated natural birth. Jen shares honestly & candidly about her experience with both a medicated birth & an unmedicated natural birth. And even more helpful, she’ talks about if she’d have another unmedicated birth & why, if she were to have a 4th baby. We also asked Jen to share about her experience using both Midwives & Doctors- check it here.

If you want to hear someone open-up & lay it all on the table, learn from this mama’s personal experience. 

You’ll Also Learn:

  1. The one thing, hands down, Jen wishes she’d have done differently for all of her births- and encourages you to do.
  2. Why talking to your care provider about epidural risks & benefits BEFORE going into labor is important.
  3. Each woman, each pregnancy, each birth is different: how to anticipate or plan for unexpected events.
Jen’s honesty & willingness to open-up is huge. We also think she did an amazing job communicating her insights, without trying to tell you what to do. We love that!  If you liked this interview, thank Jen & give her a shout out below!


Who is Jen Blanchard?

Jen Blanchard is the mama of 3 kiddos & had three very unique childbirth experiences. Jen and her family live in Cincinnati, Ohio.  She’s a die hard Michigan Wolverine fan. Just kidding, she’s an Ohio State Buckeye. Anyone have any guard dogs we can borrow? 

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Medicated or Unmedicated Birth? Jen shares her experience with both.


Sarah Blight:               Hi! This is Sarah Blight with Your Baby Booty Interviews, where we cut through the fluff and tell you what you want to know and need to know about becoming a mom. So tonight, we are chatting with Jen Blanchard. She’s the mama of three kids and she had three very different and unique experiences, I’m sure a lot of people do, at her births, um, and that was kind of attributed to the fact that she had two medicated births and then one unmedicated birth with her third, and she is here to talk about her experience with the epidural, the non- epidural route, what she wishes she would have done differently, if anything, so we’re here to pick her brains. So thanks, Jen, for being here today.

Jen Blanchard:            Hey Sara!

Sarah Blight:               So you have three kiddos. Talk us quickly kind of through a brief summary of their births.

Jen Blanchard:            Absolutely. The first two were somewhat alike. I did, um, was induced twice for non- medical reasons, so, you know, had not started into labor but went into the hospital and had my labors induced, and so they—still first, uh, two labors went really fast, and I kind of had in my mind that I wanted to maybe, you know, not have any interventions and maybe not have any pain medication, but, um, that quickly changed and I did have two epidurals with the first two, and so really when labor started—you now, cause it took a while for the Pitocin to kick in and for the labor to start, so both still—um, I had really only 4 to 5 hour labors with both of my first two, which was still pretty fast. And then my third, um, really, you know, kind of switched from an OB/GYN to a midwife and my goals was to have a nonmedicated delivery—which I did, and so that was a very unique experience. So I really, honestly, um, think there are pros and cons to both, and so just—I’m enjoying sharing those experiences with you and hopefully with moms to kind of understand some of the pros and cons to both of the—of course, every woman is different and every experience is different.

Sarah Blight:               So you mentioned that you switched from an OB/GYN to a midwife practice, and your goal was to have, you know, an unmedicated birth with your third. Did you do anything differently or prepare in any way for the unmedicated? Or what was your kind of approach?

Jen Blanchard:            My approach—I looked into several different methods, kind—looked in the Bradley Method, although—I was really overwhelmed. Um, I—and know Bradley, very, very strong history, very strong background and they, I mean—Bradley, you know—women really do well in labor and delivery and so I really respected that a lot, and there are so many great things I got  from that, but I  did not finish the whole course, cause I was really overwhelmed. I, um, I really wanted to have a nonmedicated birth, I really wanted to experience that. So many moms and woman had talked about just how great the experience is, how healthy the experience is, and I wanted to try it but I wasn’t so gung-ho about it that if I decided I couldn’t do it, I didn’t want to do it, that I wouldn’t be down on myself or disappointed if I want and hadn’t had the epidural. So, for me, I kind of felt that the Bradley Method was a little bit overwhelming to me, and so when I tried it, no birthing, it didn’t—that wasn’t really my thing too much, so I talked with my midwife and I said, “You know, I’m reading all these different methods for dealing with pain during childbirth and I’m just really not finding one that really meets all of kind of what I’m looking”. So, my midwives were great with kind of talking me through, you know, kind of what to expect of course and different pain coping mechanisms, so we put together a birth plan together for the different ways that we’d be able to help lessen the pain and kind of get through it without having an epidural. So, definitely prepared a lot more than I did the first two times, uh…

Sarah Blight:               That was going to be my—yeah, that was going to be my next question, how did you prepare for the first two times?

Jen Blanchard:            I read a lot of books, but of course, books don’t do everything in terms of,  you know, kind of talking without the women being in a class, I did take a Lamaze class, didn’t really feel like that really dealt a lot with, you know, coping mechanisms and dealing with pain. I really felt like it was a great education for pregnancy, labor and delivery, kind of the stages of labor and kind of what to expect, but it really didn’t feel that Lamaze talked a lot about how to cope with the pain, and so, I was not prepared at all for that first two times.

Sarah Blight:               So, let me get this straight, but you said you’re going to have an epidural, so why prepare for pain of you’re going to have an epidural?

Jen Blanchard:            That’s right! And, you know, until you do it, right, into your [0:04:47][Phonetic], until you do it, you really don’t know what to expect. You know, people say, “Oh, it’s really painful” but, you don’t know until you’ve actually done it. So even though I wasn’t, you know, really gung-ho on having an epidural or not the first two times, I still thought, “Oh, let’s see. You know, we can do this”. Also had, of course,  Pitocin the first two, which really kind of intensified the pain very quickly, so yeah, why prepare if I kind of knew I’d be getting the epidural anyway….


Sarah Blight:               But, I have to say, because I kind of say that and just because I talked to a woman the other day who was planning on the epidural, and the anesthesiologist, when she got to the hospital, was in a C-section. So, he could not have done to her, she couldn’t get it for a couple of hours, and so she was kind of flipping out, cause she was like, “Wait a minute…” like—so sometimes things—yes, so sometimes even your best laid plans, you know, go to waste because you know, you’re kind of at the mercy of somebody else.

Jen Blanchard:            I’ve talked to so many women, I have several friends who said, “I was planning on an epidural. I got it, and it didn’t talk” or only worked on the left side or the right side, or it only lasted, you know, some bodies and some specific situations like—it doesn’t take, so yeah, you still need to be prepared for anything as much as possible. So I didn’t feel like Lamaze really did much at all, especially with education part, I had already read so many books, that part didn’t help. So, was not prepared at all.

Sarah Blight:=             So what was your experience with the epidural itself the first few times? Did you—did everything go okay? Did you have any side effects, or…

Jen Blanchard:            The first epidural, I was really surprised at how painful it was. Not only did I wait a fairly long time to get it—cause I really wanted to try to hang in there, so by the time I asked for it and by the time the anesthesiologist got there, I was in pretty severe pain, and so to sit still, of course very still, to have a needle in your back, you know, they warn you right there in that moment, you know, if you really damage your spine if you move, so you got to sit still, really still while you’re having these intense contractions. But still, the needle hurt very badly, um, very badly. But it did take. I was completely numb from the waist down, you know, within 5 minutes I had relief, so it was amazing. Um, second epidural, no pain at all. I was bracing for it, still—I was in the middle of very severe contractions, but it didn’t hurt at all. Different anesthesiologist, so—but again, different situations. I will say with both epidurals, for me, it was very, very hard. I was completely numb, and I had absolutely no understanding of where to push and I say where, because obviously when you can’t feel anything from your waist down, you can channel and focus your energy as best as you can, but if you’re not feeling anything, you don’t know where you’re pushing, really. So, it took me a while to really kind of figure out how to push. When they tell me to push, it was ineffective. I’ll never forget my OB/GYN sitting there with my second. He folded my arms like this and he said, “This is ineffective pushing” I was so mad, because I’m like, “Then turn down the darn epidural, cause I can’t feel anything” and I was getting, you know, busting blood vessels in my head and pushing as hard as I could, but it wasn’t focused, it wasn’t directed…

Sarah Blight:               So were there repercussions, Jen, from that? I mean, did—were there, I mean…

Jen Blanchard:            There weren’t, there weren’t. And again, I’ve talked to a lot of women, I know some friends that have severe headaches, probably will the rest of their lives, because of the epidurals supposedly. I never had anything, never had any back pain, never—the epidural wore off in a couple of hours of delivery. I also didn’t have any—I know there are some complications at times—again, because when you have, I mean, you’re completely numb from the waist down, you are definitely stuck to a bed sitting—laying on your back, which most of us know is not the best way to deliver a baby. You know, there can be a lot of complications with the baby not, you know, moving under the pelvis very well and being—needing forceps and needing lots of interventions, tearing maybe—tearing the mom where—because the baby’s not coming out very well. Um, and, you know, the pushing can be too strong or not strong enough, so the doctor has to get in there, so—I didn’t have any of those situations. I had pretty—and in terms of the epidural, I did not have any complications with it at all, it’s kind of my buddy.

Sarah Blight:               Yeah.

Jen Blanchard:            I liked it.

Sarah Blight:               Yeah. It was working for you.

Jen Blanchard:            It was working for me, you know, and I think it is hard when we all talk about, you know, labor and delivery and so many things that can come up and we can all write our birth plans the best that we can, you can’t be prepared for everything, so I think it also, you know, serves well to say that, um, you know, there can be—just certain things that happen in your labor and your delivery that aren’t good, aren’t fun, and then maybe there are some repercussions afterwards that don’t have anything to do with  an epidural, that don’t have anything to do with any one thing in particular, so it’s kind of hard to not attribute certain negative things to the wrong thing, so as far as the epidural goes, I had no problems with them at all.


Sarah Blight:               Okay, cool! What, um, you know, there’s obviously risks, we went over that. Did your doctor kind of go over the risks before your appointment, or…

Jen Blanchard:            Not at all! But again, this is—I think you and I have talked before, you know, that my OB/GYN’s office, love the man to death, but very old school and they were very busy office, my appointments went really fast, it was just something that I think 90% of his practice did. I mean, they all get epidurals, it was just something that everybody did, there was never any discussion about any risks. Now, the anesthesiologist did, in the middle. [0:10:39][Inaudible] There are risks are going to be, so [0:10:42][Phonetic] with an epidural, while—and in all this pain [0:10:44][Phonetic], he’s kind of, you know, getting me off-set, I could care less…

Sarah Blight:               Yeah.

Jen Blanchard:            Time, but of course, before hand—of course, my husband’s standing there going, “What? What could happen?”

Sarah Blight:               Yeah, yeah.


Jen Blanchard:            But, [0:10:55][Inaudible] any of this ahead of time, um, and he—my husband was not the one that was going to sit there and say, “Oh, let’s rethink this”

Sarah Blight:               Do you think—yeah, yeah, you would probably would have smacked him across the [0:11:04][Phonetic]

Jen Blanchard:            Yeah, yeah.

Sarah Blight:               Do you think that that’s something that doctors should kind of go over, maybe  not in the heat of the moment, just to make sure that—because, okay. There’s risks with everything, there’s risks with C-sections, there’s risks with epidurals, there’s risks with natural childbirth. There’s just inherent risks in every single thing that we do. So do you think that would have been helpful for you? Would it have changed anything, or would it just have helped you feel a little bit more prepared going into it, what do you think about that?

Jen Blanchard:            It would have been helpful. I don’t think it would have changed anything at the time, but it would have been helpful to know and to understand, especially because from everything that I know from other women and reading all, the—I think the rate is pretty high for having some sort of side effect from an epidural. I think I happen to  be a lucky one that I haven’t any repercussions or side effects from the epidural, so even if they’re not like life threatening issues, there are quite a few women, a high percentage that have some sort of after effect from them. So, you know, I think that for me, I was blessed that nothing happened, but I think it’s important to know what the risks are upfront. Um, another thing that I would say about it too that I think a lot of OB/GYNs and nurses would say—and some women would say too in their own experience, is that epidurals slow down the process of labor. For me, it kind of sped it up, actually. I was not progressing very well before I had my epidurals. Most of that probably was because I was not tolerating the pain well, I was not managing the pain well myself, so I was tensing up and so my muscles were not relaxing enough to allow for the baby to descend in for labor, to progress. So as soon as I had the epidurals, my body relaxed and, you know, I was able to—those muscles were able to work and I was able to kind of progress, and I dilated, I went from—with both my first two, went from 3 to 10 centimeters in 45 minutes.

Sarah Blight:               Holy smokes! Now that’s what I call the freight train. [laughter]

Jen Blanchard:            Yes.

Sarah Blight:               There was not going to be anything to derail that freight train.

Jen Blanchard:            Yup. The [0:13:15][Phonetic] went faster, but again, you know, that’s just all to say, as we all say all the time, every woman is different, every experience is different, so—no, but kind of the whole thing of, oh, the epidurals would slow down labor—again, you know, epidural is kind of my friend, so I don’t know why I necessarily gave it up the third time, but it really worked for me, worked really well for the most part.

Sarah Blight:               And maybe that had something to do with—I was just talking to an OB last week. She’s talking about epidurals and she was just saying, she really encourages her patients who get epidurals to really make sure their labor is really established, that there’s a really good rhythm going and its really active, cause again, it’s kind of like—once that freight train is hauling down the mountain, you know, it’s going to take a lot to derail it and stop the train. Um, so maybe that was why, you know, if you, you know, get an epidural at the very first onset of any type of pain, you’re not necessarily giving your train an opportunity to keep going…

Jen Blanchard:            That’s right, that’s right, yeah! But, you know, on the flipside of that, and this is, kind of, when we talked and a little bit about the positives  of not having an epidural, I will say that if anything was slowed down in my first two, which I think—could hardly say anything was slowed down necessarily, but it is—there’s something to be said for being kept in a certain position, laying on your back in a bed when you’re numb from the waist down, in terms of—even if you’re 10 centimeters dilated, you still have to get that baby out. Um, and so when you’re completely numb and laying on your back, any OB/GYN, midwife, any expert will tell you that’s not the best position to deliver a baby, so that’s my big negative, you know, for  epidurals. And when we talked before about kind of the problems that they did have that’s—that are not related to the epidural, they are related to perhaps, you know, laying in that position and delivering two babies, not in the best position to deliver a baby, so which required so episiotomies and some other things that happen. So, um, everything’s connected there.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah, yeah. Well, so, kind of in your experience and taking into account, you know, your three very different births that you had, um, if and when you decide to have number four, will you go for the epidural or will you go for natural?

Jen Blanchard:            That’s tough, it’s though… and I want to be real honest, I’m going to be real honest. I don’t sit on either camp, I really don’t. I’m pro epidural, and I’m pro natural delivery, and I think mostly that’s because I see—I had great benefits with both, and there’s a negative to both. So when I talk about the—really, my only negatives for the epidural for me were, you know, again, [0:15:56][Phonetic] behind your back, trying to push a baby out on your back, not the best thing, um, so I had a lot of stitches there and really, the tough part of it, other—you know, not a bad thing about an epidural at all, both of my first two babies that were epidural babies, were completely alert and awake and nursed beautifully right away. With my third, that was a completely natural delivery, it was very tough for me. There were so many things that I didn’t expect, and they—we can talk about that a little bit too…

Sarah Blight:               Yeah.

Jen Blanchard:            You know, kind of what to expect, but, um, one of the things that was really hard for me is because it happens so fast, my third delivery, um, we weren’t even sure that we should go to the hospital at 2:30 in the morning, I wasn’t completely sure I was in full blown labor but we went anyway, and that’s a good thing because we checked into the ER at 3:15 in the morning, and he was born at 5:01.

Sarah Blight:               Wow.

Jen Blanchard:            So, I walked down to labor and delivery and I had all these plans of really managing my pain while maybe sitting in the tub, sitting in the shower, sitting on the birthing ball, doing so many things and bam! I went right into full blown, really intense labor, and so many things that I thought, you know, I could expect—I was wrong about—at least for this experience, and so, I ended—when he was born, and he was very healthy, it was actually a perfect scenario for labor and delivery, um, I was so traumatized kind of emotionally by how painful it was for—so many things I wasn’t ready for, I started physically shaking and I shook for three hours, so I couldn’t even hold my new baby enough to nurse him right away. Um, so there were some things that were emotionally tough for me, now that, in hindsight, had I had that to do over again, I think obviously, I would have educated myself or try to understand a little bit more about the things that—I thought I understood it, maybe I didn’t, I think I still would do it the same way. Um, I still think I would have gone nonmedicated, but I have to be honest and say, if I did not have such a quick labor and delivery, I think I would have been calling on an epidural. Um, so I think, it just—it’s so, such a specific decision that can maybe change from child to child, because of maybe a delay or a complication or a wrong labor. I think it just really depends on the situation and how labor’s progressing.

Sarah Blight:               And I think that’s really a good point to make, that, you know, of course everyone’s different and I think the big takeaway here for me at least is to really educate yourself. Educate yourself on the risks of—and the benefits of both ways, and um, you know, really to be committed in that education. One thing we haven’t talked about, which we cover in—we have another interview about epidurals with Dr. Michael, and she kind of goes over the risks and the benefits to mama and baby. Um, but just to be educated about what’s going on so  that, yeah, like you’re not taken by surprise, kind of an either scenario. And of course there’s always going to be unexpected things…

Jen Blanchard:            Absolutely.

Sarah Blight:               I don’t think you are anticipating, you know, an hour and 45 minutes after you get to the hospital.

Jen Blanchard:            No.

Sarah Blight:               You’re going to shoot out a baby [Laughter]

Jen Blanchard:            Right, yeah, yeah. It was fast.

Sarah Blight:               So, you know, I think that there’s a lot to be said for that.

Jen Blanchard:            Yeah.

Sarah Blight:               Um, so what do you want mamas to know that you wished you would have known, going into your births?

Jen Blanchard:            I wish, in terms of natural childbirth, I—everything I read and everything I was told by my  midwives and friends and sisters who have had, you know, natural childbirth—and maybe I have this in my head, but I was told, and really felt confident in that, even in moving into transition or even in the hardest parts of labor, you will have some sort of break in between contractions. And I do believe some women do experience some sort of break, whether it’s fifteen, twenty seconds in between contractions, I had no break. The peaks were just back to back, I’d, you know, come down off of a contraction, but right back in the next one, and I remember like it was yesterday, holding on to the side of the bed, telling my husband I needed the epidural, I was not getting a break. Um, and so I really want moms to know that, that there’s a lot of info out there that say, hey, you know, you’ll get a break, you know, it’s not constant pain… it can be, you know, for some women, and maybe my next child, if I have another one, maybe it won’t be that way. But this experience was—I did not have any breaks. So, I wish I would have known that, I think expectations are everything. When I expected to have some sort of break and I didn’t. Um…

Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jen Blanchard:            Other thing I was expecting, I was told by some women who had done it, that when you start to push, that the physical pain of delivering a baby, that that pain is not really that bad because the—[0:21:08][Phonetic] nerves, you know, in your pelvis, you know, that are numbed by the baby’s head, pressing up against it, and it’s not that painful.  Whoa! Not so much for me.

Sarah Blight:               [Laughter]

Jen Blanchard:            Really painful. I was also told that—yeah, um, you know, when you’re pushing, that um, really there’s minimal pain in terms of the contractions because the—you know your—it’s right there, and so the contractions aren’t as bad. Again, not so much. Um, I had the [0:21:36][sing?] level of intense pain, pushing, um, but in those spots if you will, it was intensified, it was ten times worse—And also, the biggest thing, the biggest thing I wish I would have done, and I think you and I have talked about this before, is I wish I would have known the difference between breathing through your contractions before you’re pushing, and breathing through the pain while you’re trying to push, and it kind of seems like, wow, that’s kind of an elementary question, why wouldn’t you have thought of that, but if you kind of think that you’re going to get a reprieve from the pain, especially when you’re pushing, you don’t really think that you’re still going to need to breathe through those painful contractions while you’re pushing, so my first two pushes, um, I was holding my breath, and I thought I was pushing, but I was in so much pain, and I literally, in my head and my eyes closed, I literally delivered my third baby on my side, which was really cool, that worked for me. Um, I remember digging my head into the side of the bed, I remember thinking to myself, Jen, if you do not push, there is no one who is going to end this pain but you right now. So you need to get out of it and just push, and he was out in two pushes. Um, but I remember thinking, I don’t know how to breathe.

Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.

Jen Blanchard:            So, I wish I would have known how to breathe through the contractions while you’re pushing, cause that’s…

Sarah Blight:               Yeah! And you know, that’s interesting that you say that, because when I took my childbirth class, they didn’t talk about—it was all the kind of, hold your breath, you know, when you’re pooping on the potty and you kind of like bear down and you hold your breath, but there is another way to push, which is, you know, you breathe while you’re pushing, and that’s actually a lot more gentle way of pushing, which you may not get the instant gratification of like super push, but um, because it disengages your diaphragm, that it actually can really protect your perineum as well from tearing and stuff like that.

Jen Blanchard:            Right.

Sarah Blight:               I didn’t know that either, so that’s a really good point.

Jen Blanchard:            I had no tears, I had no tears.

Sarah Blight:               Yeah.

Jen Blanchard:            And so, you know, the other part of that too, is that while you’re taking a breath before you push again, you know, they’re—again, you’re experiencing, or at least I did, intense pain, you know, why you’re kind of gearing up to push again, and so you have to—my inclination was to tighten up and hold my breath, but you need to take a big breath, get all your air back in before you push again, so, um, I was not ready for that, and I think that I would have emotionally done better through that and afterwards, had I known better how to do that.

Sarah Blight:               One quick thing that we didn’t talk about, I want to hit real quick, was recovery. What was the recovery like, um, comparing the medicated and the unmedicated births you had?

Jen Blanchard:            Yeah, I had a great recovery after my nonmedicated birth, and again, I want to kind of put the caveat, though, that um, my first two with epidurals, I had episiotomies, so recovery was way harder with the first two, but, I wouldn’t have [0:24:30][point?] the episiotomy with the epidural. I think that, you know, you could—like for instance if I have another child, I will absolutely use the midwife I did before, and they give an epidural, but I guarantee I probably won’t have an episiotomy.

Sarah Blight:               Yeah.

Jen Blanchard:            So, um, I don’t at all want to equate my great recovery with the natural delivery just because I didn’t have an epidural, that it was so great, cause it was great, but I think a huge portion of that was because I didn’t have an episiotomy and I didn’t tear at all, I had no stitches. In my first two I had a lot of stitches and a lot of issues post episiotomy, so…

Sarah Blight:               Okay.


Jen Blanchard:            But, all to say, my recovery after my natural childbirth was great, you know, immediately following, like I said, was really hard physically. Another thing was, because I was so tense in the labor and delivery, you know, I just was not handling the pain very well, I actually put a next—week or two, I went home with really severe back  spasms, really scary, actually, that kind of plummeted me to the floor a couple of times, they were so painful and I called my midwife and she said that it was probably because of the labor, you know, when your body—and when you don’t have any pain medication, my body was tensing up. And as soon as she said that, I’m like, makes total sense, so… that was the only part of my recovery that was tough, but other than that, it was amazing. You know, I stood up that afternoon, got a shower that afternoon, which I did not do with the first two. I felt great. One other thing that I did want to mention about—one thing I didn’t know about that I kind of wish I would have with the natural child birth was that afterwards, after the baby was delivered and he was being taken care of and weighed, I was actually hemorrhaging afterwards, which, again, doesn’t have anything to do with epidural or non epidural, but they were having to press on my abdomen [0:26:25][fruity?] hard and they actually had to extract a lot of blood clots from my uterus, and so that was extremely painful without having any sort of pain medication at all. So, that was one thing I had not prepared for, again, you know, those are things that are pretty—can be isolated incidents, may not happen again, something I didn’t know about, so that was tough. So something again for a new mom is to think about are—if they’re thinking about epidural versus non epidural. Um, you know, you need to think about—that there could be some, you know, maybe stitches or some other things that need to be taken care of after the delivery, that you may want to talk with your OB, your midwife about  how can we handle pain after that, if there are things  that need to be taken care of with the mom afterwards, cause I was not ready for that.

Sarah Blight:               Okay, good, good tips there, Jen. Um, well thanks so much for sharing your experiences candidly and honestly, I love that. I think that’s really helpful for people as they try to make the decision that’s right for them. To all the mamas who are watching, if you have any questions or comments on epidural, non epidural, anything that you heard tonight, please let us know, we’d love to hear from you. Thanks for watching everybody; we will see you next time.

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