(With Sarah McKay, Lactation Consultant & Doula, mama of 6)
I remember when I learned to drive a car. I went to those driver’s ed classes, remember those? And then finally it was time to get behind the wheel with the infamous Mr. Lopez. He was a local legend, for his quirky and sometimes unorthodox ways. He was passionate about teaching kids how to drive. None of the classes prepared me for my first behind the wheel with him though. We were merging onto the highway and the shoulder was completely under construction, a semi truck was barreling towards us… my palms were sweaty, I gunned it and tried to stay as far away from those cement blocks as possible. Just then, Mr. Lopez grabbed the wheel, stuck his other arm out the window and said “You’ve got plenty of room in your lane, move over!”
Sarah McKay compares learning how to breastfeed to learning to drive a car. You can take all the classes in the world, but nothing will really prepare you for after birth, holding your baby (which just came out of your womb), and suckling that sweet thing at your breast.
When you’re going about breastfeeding, sometimes you have questions, your confidence takes a hit and you’re wondering “for the love, am I even doing this right?”
Lactation Consultant, Sarah McKay teaches you the 4 essential “must knows” about how to breastfeed baby, so that when you’re merging onto the breastmilk superhighway, you are confident and know exactly what to do. Think of Sarah as your own personal Mr. Lopez.
Sarah shares things like- the #1 thing new moms are not prepared for when breastfeeding for the first time. Why something called “the golden hour” will help you and your baby establish breastfeeding more quickly. And Sarah explains why “it’s all about the poop.” Sarah also encourages your spouse to get involved in breastfeeding (okay that sounds a little weird, but trust us, this is a great tip). During pregnancy, it’s often so difficult to anticipate the ins and outs of breastfeeding, Sarah will sort it out for you, giving you her best breastfeeding tips, so you’re prepared as you navigate the “how to breastfeed” waters.
You’ll Also Learn:
- How the scent of the amniotic fluid on baby’s hands helps breastfeeding.
- Tips for ‘how to get situated’ when breastfeeding.
- How to know if you’re breastfeeding correctly.
- What you need to know about pumping.
Who is Sarah McKay?
After chatting with Sarah for 30 minutes, I picked up her killer southern accent. Even my husband noticed I had a southern twang. Sarah’s accent hails from Tennessee, in a town just 30 miles from Nashville. She’s the mama to 6, count ‘em, 6 kiddos ranging in ages from 9 to 21 years old. Sarah is the CEO and Director for 9 Months & Beyond, which helps prepare expectant parents for birth. She’s a DONA certified Doula trainer, a Hypnobabies certified hypno-doula, oh and did we mention she’s a Lactation specialist too? Yep, this is one busy & energized mama!
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Sarah McKay-Breastfeeding Pitfalls
Sarah: Hi, this is Sarah Blight with Your Baby Booty interviews. We talk with moms, dads, and experts about the things that they learned about having kids and becoming parents so that you can be a step ahead of the game and make better decisions faster.
So tonight, to talk with us, here to talk with us tonight about avoiding and how to avoid breastfeeding pitfalls is Sarah McKay. She is the CEO and director of 9 Months and Beyond.com. She is a lactation consultant. She’s a hypnobabies hypno-doula. She is also a certified childbirth instructor, and in her spare time, she’s a mom of 6 kids. I don’t know how she does it all, but she does, and she is a joy to have.
Thank you so much Sarah for joining us tonight.
McKay: Thanks again.
Sarah: Okay, so what is the number one thing that new moms aren’t prepared for when they start breastfeeding?
McKay: You know, I think probably the biggest thing is the frequency of feeding that’s necessary. In the breastfeeding classes that I teach, I’ll talk a lot about the fact for that coming from the doula perspective. I have great respect for the birthday, you know, that it’s – Some people would plan years for that day…
McKay: …and we put so much into what that day is going to be like when in actuality, it is just one day on the calendar.
McKay: When it comes to breastfeeding, we have to plan to breastfeed this baby many times a day for many days, and I think that there’s some preparation mentally there as well just like you would getting ready to give birth.
Sarah: Okay, so that leads into my next question…
Sarah: …which is, you know, when I was pregnant, I would watch all the TV shows. I was around dogs. I gave birth to liters of puppies. You see the animals that are born and they just immediately suckle their mommy’s breast, and you know, the chimpanzees hanging off the tree eating a banana, and you think, oh well, you know, if they can do it, it’s not a big deal. It can’t be that hard. Why is it so much harder than we think it is?
McKay: Because we’re in a culture that it’s not the norm, and that has to change, and you mentioned my 6 kids; three of which are European that were adopted as teenagers, and I kind of got this cultural significance with breastfeeding. On my way to teach breastfeeding class one night, and one of the girls was with me, and she said, “You have to teach what?” And I told her and she said, “You have to teach people how to do that?” And it dawned on me that she came from a place where, you know, everybody did that, and every woman was a lactation consultant because they had done it, and we don’t have that.
McKay: My mother talks about that she didn’t breastfeed because when I was born, there was a stigma attached to breastfeeding that, you know, if you weren’t formula feeding then you weren’t giving your baby the best.
McKay: And we now know, you know, that’s definitely not the case, but I think, you know, the reason why everybody believes that oh yes, we’re going to be just like the animals, and babies are going to come out from there, and go to hear, and it’s going to be easy. For a lot of moms, it can be that easy if they have been exposed.
McKay: For the most part, women in our culture have never sat next to another woman who’s breastfeeding.
Sarah: Uh-huh, right.
McKay: And so we have that. There’s going to be lots of questions that who are you going to ask? Probably none. I couldn’t ask my mom because she hadn’t done it.
McKay: So that’s why there are specialists in every field and that’s probably why we have [0:04:09] [Indiscernible].
Sarah: And thank God we do because even for us who maybe feel more – My mom breastfed me at the time very much like you were describing when a lot of people weren’t, and she was kind of the rebel of her day, so I grew up around that. I grew up seeing my younger sibling being breastfed, and so I think I went into it kind of having that confidence, but even still, there are times, there are challenges that I encountered that, you know, I needed help and I needed an expert, and thank God, you guys are there because, you know, sometimes you need to know is this really normal? Is this right? Is everything working properly?
McKay: And you know, that’s probably the best thing to get out of a class is to go in knowing that. Let’s talk about how to know when it’s right, how to know when it’s not, and then where am I going to find help when it’s not.
McKay: And once you have those things, and it’s broken down that simply, I don’t think it’s quite so scary.
Sarah: So do babies come out of the womb knowing how to breastfeed or do we have to help them?
McKay: You know, there’s lots of new studies being done on self attachment, and you’ve seen all the videos that the baby’s doing the breast crawl, and honestly, the numbers are telling us that in an unmedicated birth, a baby is placed skin-to-skin on mom’s abdomen will generally within an hour, if left there, find their way and self-attach to the breast, and those babies have beautiful latches that don’t normally have to be corrected.
McKay: So yeah, there is an instinctive side of that.
Sarah: I once heard that the linea negra – and I had one. I don’t know. Does everyone get a linea negra?
McKay: Okay, depends on skin pigmentation.
Sarah: Okay, so I have very olive skin, and I had linea negra, and for the mamas who are watching and are like what the heck is that, it’s just the dark line that goes basically from your pubic bone up to your navel, and you know, it fades away after baby is born, but I was told once that that is kind of the roadway to lead the baby up to your bosom. Is that true? Is that kind of like the baby super highway?
McKay: You know, I’ve heard that you can predict gender based on that.
McKay: You know, we know that the reason that the nipple and areola is generally a darker color and darkens during pregnancy is because it makes it a little easier for the baby to find.
McKay: It’s kind of like a big bull’s eye painted in their forehead. But they’re honestly led by their sense of smell.
McKay: And so one of the things that sometimes comes up is the scents of the amniotic fluid on the baby’s hands, and so if we’re going to bathe the babies in the hospital, sometimes maybe let’s not wash their hands because we know that that scent helps facilitate breastfeeding.
Sarah: I never heard that before.
McKay: We’re together.
Sarah: That’s really cool. Okay, so you’re a lactation consultant. You work with mamas all the time who are kind of navigating this breastfeeding – let’s call it a jungle for lack of a better word just because there is that insecurity and am I doing it right.
Sarah: What are some tips that you can give us for new moms to really help them relax and ease into this new role of being a life source for your baby outside of them?
McKay: Okay. First thing is to feed frequently. Feed early perfectly within that first hour if we can do that.
Sarah: And why is that so important? Why is that first hour so crucial?
McKay: You know, we have one of our hospitals here. We’re now referring to that as the Golden Hour and that’s the bonding hour, and the first hour after birth is when, you know, baby is most alert, and then they kind of have this tendency to crash, and they sleep for a while, and they don’t necessarily have great feeding times with mom, so we want that first hour.
If for whatever reason we can’t get baby to the breast within the first hour, we’ve got a baby who’s maybe not as healthy as what we’d like to see, then definitely we want mom expressing milk either by hand expression. Honestly, that’s preferred now as hand expression right off the bat for the colostrums, and then pumping within the first 6 hours.
McKay: So anyway, those things, feeding early, feeding often.
McKay: If it hurts it’s wrong.
Sarah: Okay, okay.
McKay: That’s the one that I’ve had so many moms come in with their mothers and say, “Oh yeah, I was just sore, and it was just awful, but we just powered through it.”
McKay: Well, we don’t need to power through it.
McKay: Tenderness is normal.
McKay: Sensitivity is normal. Damage to the nipple is not normal.
Sarah: Okay. Okay.
McKay: That biting, burning, pinching sensation, not normal. Those are things that you definitely need to find a lactation consultant in your area and give them a call, and please, please, please don’t be too proud or afraid to ask for help.
Sarah: Yes. I think that’s a great point. And I have a perfect example of that. In my own life, everything was going fine, and then it really started hurting when he was nursing to the point where I was like biting my nails like I wanted to scream it hurt so bad, and it ended up I was getting mastitis, and I had no idea. I started feeling really whoozy and like I had the flu, and sure enough, I had mastitis, but I mean literally, I hung in there because I was like oh, it’s just the way it is, like it was smooth sailing for a while, but that’s all behind us, and sure enough know there was something wrong.
Sarah: So yeah.
I mean it seems like the way that our bodies are created it would be really cruel if our life giving source to our babies had to hurt, you know. I mean it just seems like after all we’ve been through it shouldn’t be painful, and it’s really not supposed to be.
McKay: Exactly. And it really does kind of come down to that whole, you know, let’s make sure again how to know when it’s wrong, and where to go if it’s not, and we need to – You know, we need to fix that right away, and get mom comfortable because really again, we can try to break things down so it’s very simple, and breastfeeding is not a scary foreign thing to moms, and I love when I tell moms when we’re in a consult, I’d say, “You know, really the goal of breastfeeding is very simple. It’s pain free weight gain.”
McKay: And really, when we look at that, we go oh, you know, that didn’t sound so hard.
McKay: So you know, when it’s broken down in a really simple way then it’s like ah, that’s not such a big deal.
Sarah: Okay, so the other thing that I know that new moms worry about is how much is my baby eating because, you know, they tell you that if you pump, you know, pump your milk that’s not a good indicator of how much because babies are much more efficient than a pump is no matter how great the pump, usually a good nurser. So how does a mom ensure that her baby is getting enough to eat?
McKay: It’s all about the poop. It’s all about the poop, and that never change.
Sarah: Yeah, that’s right. The consistency changes, but the poop never, yeah. The poop itself.
McKay: About the poop, I don’t think that changes.
Sarah: Yeah, it doesn’t, nope.
McKay: Yeah, we talked about – Let’s just count diapers. You know, that’s kind of a good indicator. Can she tell a difference in how her breast feels after feeding?
McKay: Are we feeding 8 to 12 times in a 24-hour period? Is your baby gaining weight on a regular basis and not necessarily the same growth that every formula fed baby is gaining on, but there actually is a different growth chart for breastfeed babies.
McKay: So those things, you know, we count diapers. We make sure that we’re getting those 8 to 12 feedings in a 24-hour period, the baby’s gaining weight, and that mom can feel a difference in her breast after feeding.
McKay: And those are pretty good signs that everything is going the way it should.
McKay: You know, we have this whole thing about trusting the birth process, and to a degree, we almost have to trust breastfeeding process too.
Sarah: Uh-huh. I do remember after I gave birth to my son, I looked at my berries. I’m not very well endowed as a woman, and I looked down, and I was like do you mean they’re working like these things are actually doing what they’re supposed to do like I really had doubts like my boobs aren’t very big. Are they going to be able to produce enough milk and feed my kid? And sure enough, they were totally doing their job and doing it very well, and it definitely kind of boosted my confidence, you know.
Sarah: So I think women really need to be confident that hey, this is your equipment. This is – The milk factor is happening in there. You just can’t see it and you can’t feel it, which I think makes us feel like there’s nothing happening in there when really, there’s a lot going on.
McKay: Exactly. Now, you know, that brings up another good point that size is no indicator of storage capacity or how much milk you’ll make. It has nothing to do with the size of your breast.
McKay: There’s very large-breasted women with very little milk.
McKay: Sometimes it has to do with the glandular tissue that they are born with.
McKay: Sometimes it has to do with how breastfeeding was managed in the beginning.
McKay: So you know, all those come in, but…
Sarah: So being aggressive at the beginning like from the first hour, you’re saying is really important boosting that milk production and getting things going.
McKay: It is. It lies down those what we call prolactin receptors and really helps kind of light the foundation for a really good strong supply. You know, if – We see mom sometimes question that 8 to 12 feedings. Well, okay, if you have a really good supply, then you can get away with seven.
McKay: That’s okay. We’re going to let baby indicate women need to eat, but for mom with a shaky supply, you know setting a timer, scheduling, feedings, those kind f things just are not going to get it.
Sarah: Okay. What about pumping? When is it appropriate for mom or when is it needed for a mom to pump? Is it just for the mom who, you know, may have to go back to work or for a mom who maybe wants husband to take some feedings at night, or is pumping really should be used more widely even than that.
McKay: Learn to breastfeed first. That’s probably the biggest piece of advice, and you don’t need a pump before you go home from the hospital.
McKay: And we – Honestly, you can start pumping anytime, but as long as the breastfeeding is well established because it’s usually around 3 weeks and pumping is fine. Now if we’re trying to build up a supply to go back to work that’s great.
McKay: Any time though that you are letting somebody else feed the baby, which is not – That’s fine. We want to make sure that mom is still getting the stimulation from the pump. So it would not be a big deal if, you know, mom pumps once during the day and stores that bottle for dad to give at night.
McKay: So that’s an option. If you’re only going to be away from your baby occasionally, a hand pump might be sufficient. If you’re good hand expresser you don’t even have to have a pump. Some of that is dependent on the family dynamic and how – You know, there are other ways for dad to be involved other than feeding.
McKay: As a matter of fact, feeding is the only thing that he cannot do.
Sarah: Uh-huh, right.
McKay: Breastfeeding is the only thing he cannot do.
Sarah: Right. So there’s a chance of poopy diapers that can be changed by dad. Lots of play time. Yeah, burping, all that stuff.
McKay: So you know, knowing how to pump I think for mom who’s going back to work or mom who is going to have to be away from her baby for extended periods whether it’s, you know, a night out, everybody wants that…
McKay: …I think depending on how frequent that’s going to happen kind of dictates which pumps you would need and how often you would need to do it.
Sarah: Okay, but it’s not a given that you need a pump on your way home from the hospital.
McKay: Absolutely, exactly.
Sarah: Are there any other pieces of equipment that a new mama could have on hand that might be helpful other than maybe a pump or maybe a hand pump?
McKay: The only thing that I think is – I don’t know that anything else is needed. I mean you’re obviously given what you need to do this, and I joke about going to teach a product for a breastfeeding class one time and the mom says, “Oh come here and look at all these stuff I just got.” She had this huge table full of breastfeeding stuff. Okay, so first thing we’re going to do is talk about whether or not you really think you need this stuff. It was things that she probably would not have needed at all.
McKay: And you know, here’s the problem. If we think we need all this stuff to do it, we’re already starting off on the wrong foot.
McKay: So the one thing I know that has been a health for moms that I’ve seen is a good supportive nursing pillow.
McKay: There are some really good ones on the market and there’s that are not so good on the market.
McKay: So, you know, you want good firm surface, a flat surface so that mom is comfortable and baby is supported.
McKay: But it’s definitely not a necessity.
Sarah: Uh-huh. You can use pillows too, but I know for me, I had two different kinds. I had the breast friend and that I love because it definitely made – It just was more comfortable. It was – I don’t know. It just seemed to work really well.
McKay: And in fact, with longer torsos.
Sarah: Uh-huh, yes.
McKay: Because we did the other one that’s got down here in the lap…
McKay: …but the chest is up here, then you’re not even using that as support for the baby.
McKay: So that actually is one of our favorite pillows.
Sarah: Yes, I love that one too.
McKay: Yeah, I think you could use, you know, couch cushions or pillows off the bed or whatever as long as mom is comfortable and supported.
Sarah: What about a big old container of water?
McKay: Great big water. Moms usually get thirsty when they sit down to nurse, so you know, that’s one thing that dad can do is make sure when mama’s feeding the baby that she has something to drink.
McKay: She’s also probably going to notice that she has a little bit of an appetite.
McKay: So make sure that you schedule some good snacks in there, and we know that it takes about 500 calories a day just to make milk, and I joke and said, “But that’s 2 Snickers bars.” Yey. But that’s not how we want moms getting food.
McKay: You know, we want them to be good healthy snacks because we know a lot of those nutrients are also passed in milk.
McKay: So mamas is feeding baby well.
Sarah: Yes. The other question I have is about breastfeeding class or breastfeeding support groups.
Sarah: How important is it for a mom to just get plugged into one whether or not she’s having problems or questions?
Is that an important part for a mom?
McKay: You know, I do believe it is. Just because – You know, we have a group that meets in our office once a week now. It was twice a week, but that we see that mom-to-mom support is crucial. To see babies of different ages that mom can say, “Oh, you know, this worked for us,” “Oh, have you tried this?” so they can share, and so that league is a great resource.
McKay: Sometimes – and we do weight checks in our group just because. It’s called Weigh To Go Baby, and so they can – and actually check milk intake for that feeding. And sometimes it’s just enough to get a mom through another week just to say that the baby is still gaining and the baby is actually transferring milk. Oh, you mean that little gauge on the side of their belly, you know, they shouldn’t have been born with?
McKay: So I think it’s really cool, and we see a lot of moms that leave our group and they all go out to lunch together.
McKay: So it’s not just about the breastfeeding thing. It’s really about making connections with other moms.
Sarah: And don’t you think too it’s good for new moms to know yeah, they’re not alone, and that also all babies are different, and that you know, every mom is different, every breast is different, every body is different, and you know your body and your baby the best, and you have to trust your instincts and really trust your ability to feed and nurture your baby.
Sarah: And I think sometimes, hearing what other people are going through really kind of just makes you feel like oh yeah, I can do this.
McKay: Right, that, you know, I’m not the only one who got up 3 times last night.
McKay: Or you know, yes, this baby is eating every 2 hours as well.
McKay: But it does change because you may have the baby who’s 2 months older that the mom goes what? We don’t get up at all anymore.
McKay: You know, and just seeing how you can look around the room and go oh, that baby is about the same age as mine, but that one is maybe, you know, a month older and look at the difference in milestones…
McKay: …and in what they’re doing, and in how they nurse, how they breastfeed, what their breastfeed relationship is like at that point.
McKay: And it’s not just a really neat dynamic to see that, but also just to see those moms make the connection that they’re not alone and they have somebody to talk to and somewhere to go…
McKay: …and now then every week, they can come in, and they sit down, and it helps with breastfeeding in public because that’s always, always a hot topic around here in the South…
McKay: …that, you know, we have that whole I don’t want to see somebody whip it out, you know.
McKay: Never ever woman whip it out.
Sarah: That’s hilarious.
McKay: You know, for them to get comfortable breastfeeding around other women who are also breastfeeding…
McKay: …is kind of encouraging, and…
Sarah: And also, don’t you think it does something for a morale of a mom who’s kind of just in shock like everything that’s going on to give her a reason to get out of the house everyday, to get clothes on, to get dressed, to go to a group where there’s other people? I mean I think even if breastfeeding is going fine, and you know, you may offer insight to other people who are having problems, but really, the support group is more just to be able to socialize and get out of the house, and not have air, and be a human being again, not just, you know, diaper changing, breastfeeding machine.
McKay: Exactly. To be something more than the food source for the day.
McKay: Yeah. I think those groups are just paramount to that that you have to – And new moms are definitely overwhelmed with that, you know, everything.
McKay: So to know that there’s a way and an outlet to connect to being something more, and to remember who you are outside of just walking melt machine…
McKay: …is really, really important.
Sarah: Okay, let’s talk about breastfeeding classes when you’re pregnant.
Sarah: Do you recommend that pregnant mamas go to a breastfeeding class?
Sarah: Okay, why?
McKay: Why? They need to know how this works.
McKay: They need to know. Again, how to know when it’s right, how to know when it’s not. What’d you expect? I mean – And I equate breastfeeding a lot with learning to drive a car.
McKay: I could tell you all day long how to do it, but until you’re behind the wheel, you don’t really have that experience.
McKay: So I can hand you a doll and a nursing pillow and get you in the right position and all that, but until you actually have a baby suckling at a breast that belongs to you that just came from your body…
Sarah: Uh-huh, and your hormones are raging.
McKay: Exactly. You really don’t know what it’s like.
McKay: But you can remember from your class oh, they said if this feels like this, it’s wrong, and I need to fix it.
Sarah: And don’t you think too that it’s helpful to have your spouse at the class with you? My husband went with me, and he was remembering things that I had forgotten because his hormones weren’t raging the way that mine were, and he wasn’t, you know, at that same place just emotionally. You know, after you have your baby, it’s the biggest drop in the hormones your body’s ever going to go through, so having somebody else go to that class, don’t you think that’s helpful too?
McKay: Absolutely, and not just because of remembering step, but also because the greatest thing that a dad can be for breastfeeding mom is to support her in that.
McKay: And so when he understands the benefits to both his baby and his partner, and has a real clear picture of how this all works, he’s much more supported, and he may change diapers because he knows that he can do that.
Sarah: Yup, yup, absolutely.
McKay: So yeah, but it’s great to have another person that has heard all the same information…
Sarah: Yes. Okay, last question.
Sarah: For mamas who have given birth, they’re home now, and maybe breastfeeding isn’t going so well for them for whatever reason…
Sarah: …what resources, what do they need to do?
McKay: First step, contact the hospital where you delivered if you delivered in a hospital.
McKay: Find out if they have a lactation outpatient option. Second, if not – I’m trying to think of the website. I think it’s Ilka.
Sarah: We’ll put it underneath so if you think of it, when you think about it later or whatever.
McKay: Yeah. Illka, and the able-to-see website again, I believe, having those EY, you know, one of those that you can find a lot of patient consultant in your area. Google it. Google.
Sarah: Yeah, yeah.
McKay: And look for, preferably an IBCLC same for Internationally Board-Certified Lactation Consultant. Those are the folks who know their stuff. So find help. And it may not be one of those things that you get to go one time and they fix at you to go home. Know that it may be something that you have to kind of follow up on to find out.
McKay: They do phone consultations after you’ve seem them once just to talk. Can you e-mail them and ask questions?
McKay: But definitely find those supportive places, find the breastfeeding support group. I’m going to let you [0:27:58] [Indiscernible] in your area. That’s a great resource.
McKay: They’re international, so it’s…
Sarah: So naturally, for people who don’t know what that is. Can you explain real quick what that is?
McKay: Mom-to-mom breastfeeding support is the easiest way I can put it. They’re lead by train and also moms who have breastfed now that their training process to become a leader for that group, and they meet us. Some of them are once-a-month. Some of them are once-a-week. It kind of depends on the area.
McKay: And they get together and they talk about, you know, breastfeeding issues or concerns, or you know. These are women who have a lot of experience in peer counseling and peer support, so sometimes you can call them up and say hey, this is what I got going on. I don’t have hospital lactation available in my area. Can somebody point me to a lactation service or just give me just ideas of what I got going on here.
Sarah: Okay, great ideas. Anything else?
Sarah: Breastfeeding support relatively.
McKay: Other support groups, you know, private practice lactation, which is what we do, is a little more writer I guess, and just because we just say we don’t make a hundred many [0:29:16] [Indiscernible].
Sarah: That’s right.
McKay: Payment comes in other forms…
Sarah: Yeah, that’s right.
McKay: …but – And you know, we just very strongly believed that it’s every mothers right, to have that support and to have that education and – You know, every baby deserves that opportunity as well.
McKay: So find those private practice folks in your area. The hospital may be able to refer you for some. We can get referrals from the hospital sometimes when they have overflow or whatnot.
Sarah: Perfect. Well, that sounds like a great idea. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and the insight with us on breastfeeding and how to avoid those pitfalls that maybe there for some mamas. For you guys, you mamas who are watching, if you have any questions or comments about what we talked about during this interview, please leave them below. We’ll make sure they get answered. We’ll make sure all the links we talked about are below the interview as well, so you guys can have resources at your fingertips. We thank you guys so much for watching, and we will see you next time.
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