How to avoid a C-Section by asking Questions {specific examples & a story}


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(With Jamie Fuller mama of 2) Jamie’s birth wasn’t going well. Her water broke & the hospital admitted her. Her trusted doctor was on vacation. Her contractions weren’t happening. The nurses were pushing her, then said…”we’re sending someone to induce you with Pitocin”.

“I don’t want an induction. Nearly 100% of women go into labor naturally on their own” Jamie said, as she kept doing her laps around the hospital knowing how walking can jump start labor.

Things were s-l-o-w. The back-up doctor, who she didn’t know, was pressuring her to get baby out NOW.  After pushing for 5 hours, Jamie still wasn’t progressing. 

Then the doctor said “you’re not progressing…it’s time to talk about a c-section (aka “failure to progress’”) …

..and that’s when it all changed…

Jamie’s dedication to her baby, by being prepared & knowing what to expect, prevented a C-section & Induction. When her doctor mentioned the c-section because of ‘failure to progress”…she said  ”if my baby’s heart rate is fine, if my blood pressure is fine & we don’t have risk of infection (she consented to antibiotics b/c of Group B Strep)….then why are we going to a C-section?”

The doctor said… “I just want to make sure you’re not too tired to walk down the hall to the operating room”…and Jamie said, “If that’s the route we have to take…then I’m not walking, you’ll have to get people in here to carry me down there…I am here to push out this baby!“… the doctor said…

…watch the interview to find out & all the other specific examples on how you can  ….

This is one seriously inspiring & valuable story- she teaches you how you can increase the chance of getting the birth you want by asking questions & collaborating WITH your doctors & nurses like a TEAM! Watch to learn how Jamie did it & how you can do the same!

You’ll Also Learn:

  1. How to get the doctors & nurses on your side, so they’ll work together, helping you get the outcome you want.
  2. How Role Playing before labor was key to feeling fearless & being prepared.
  3. What questions to ask your doctor or nurse in the heat of the moment.
  4. How to prepare early in pregnancy so you can manage anything that comes your way for you & your baby.

Who is Jamie Fuller?

Jamie Fuller is the mama of 2 boys & the wife of 1. Jamie had two very different, but equally amazing birth experiences. The first was at a hospital & the second was at a birth center.  Jamie is passionate about helping women know their options & being fully prepared for birth.  She & her family live in the hand state (Michigan). She’s 6ft tall, so in high school she auditioned to be a StarTrek Clingon. She said it’s the most interesting thing she didn’t accomplished.

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Jamie Fuller- Engaged-in-labor

Sarah Blight:               Hi, this is Sarah Blight from your Baby Booty Interviews where we cut through the fluff and we tell you what you really need to know and want to know about having a baby and becoming a mom so that you can make better decisions faster.


                                    So why is it important to be engaged in your birth and your labor process, especially if you’re at a hospital? Well tonight, we’re chatting with Jamie Fuller. She’s the mama of two boys and she was sharing her birth story with me and it just really hit me that she really was engaged and really proactive and really asking questions, and it really affected the outcome of her birth in a really positive way. So thank you so much, Jamie, for being with us today.


Jamie Fuller:               Thank you.


Sarah Blight:               So your water broke with your first pregnancy, with your first baby and you called the doctor and what happened after they told you to come? I guess they told you to come to the hospital shortly after that, right?


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah. My water broke early in the morning, you know, late at night and I had my regular doctor’s appointment. I wasn’t having any contractions. It wasn’t a huge gush, it was just a little trickle, and I wasn’t having any contractions right away. So I had a regularly scheduled – you know, your one-week appointment at 8 o’clock the next morning so I thought since I wasn’t having contractions, I would just wait until my appointment. When I went into the appointment, they did the checkup, did the Doppler and they said you have to go right to the hospital. So I knew that since I wasn’t having any contractions yet if I went right to the hospital, I would be a good candidate for an induction and that was really what I had wanted to try to avoid. I wanted to go as natural as possible, but still have the safety and sort of the moral support and backup of being in the hospital when I delivered so –


Sarah Blight:               And why did you want to avoid an induction? Why was going natural or without any kind of induction important to you?


Jamie Fuller:               I guess the real thing I wanted to avoid — I guess I should say I feel like it’s really important to be an informed consumer. The real thing I really wanted to avoid from the onset was having a C-section and I knew that statistically if I had an epidural, I would be more statistically likely to have a C-section.


Sarah Blight:               Okay.


Jamie Fuller:               So I was trying to figure out ways to avoid the epidural and figuring out ways to be sure that I could have a natural delivery. I knew that if I had been induced with Pitocin that my contractions would be abnormally strong and close together and that probably my natural coping — the thing that I had decided to practice to cope with contractions naturally might not help very much if my body wasn’t the one creating my contractions if the Pitocin were creating contractions. Because it makes them a lot stronger and a lot closer together and I knew that part of my strategy was to coach myself in knowing that I’ve got time to rest in between, that every contraction is going to have a top and a bottom.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               You should get through the top, get through the bottom and then relax in the middle. I knew if I could stay on that kind of slope that I would be able to cope with it as they came one by one. So by avoiding Pitocin, I really just felt like I would have a better chance to avoid a C-section really.


Sarah Blight:               Okay. So what did the doctors tell you when you got the hospital?


Jamie Fuller:               Well I still wasn’t contracting regularly. I was maybe one contraction every 15 or 20 minutes. So I put on my walking shoes and I started speed walking around the square at the hospital.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               I’m coming by the nurse’s station and somebody says, oh, you need to go lie down and I’m like, no, I’m getting my body going.


Sarah Blight:               [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               You know, I’m moving, I’ve got to get these contractions. They said no, go lie down, they’re sending the people to do your induction. I said, oh, no, I didn’t come here for an induction. I said no, no, I came here because my water broke and they’re like well we know, but your water broke and you’re not having any contractions so go lie down for your induction. I said well when you send the induction, please send a second opinion because we’re going to need to talk about this.


                                    So they come to room and there’s two people and god bless them, I don’t know their names or even what rank they are in the hospital. I don’t know where my husband was. I think he went home to get his bag. I really didn’t think that this was going to happen when I went to the hospital. I thought we’re just going to go, they’re going to check it out. I’m not having contractions so I’m not in labor so why would I stay.


                                    So when they showed up, they said your waters broke and we want you to deliver within 24 hours of your water breaking, which I knew that they would say that. I also was positive for group B strep. So a lot of women are familiar with what that means and what that test is. But one of the things with group B strep is they want you to take a few cycles of antibiotics during your delivery, which I had agreed to so that was fine. So I asked them what specifically their concern was with the fact the water was ruptured and they said that they were concerned that I wouldn’t have enough water to be supporting the baby during delivery.



Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               You know, there could be like – you know, do baby could fall on the cord or whatever is going to happen. They wanted to make sure that I had a sufficient amount of amniotic fluid to support the baby during delivery. So I called up my doula and she said tell them you want an amniotic fluid index.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               So I said I want an amniotic fluid index, which I think they do. I think they do with a sonogram and they just check like they do in your doctor’s appointment around the baby to make sure that there was enough fluid. They said, oh, well it’s really not the level of fluid we’re concerned about. We’re really concerned about infection. You know, once the water breaks the environment is no longer sterile. We want the baby to be out within 24 hours. I said well I’ve already consented to the antibiotics so we’re going to get three or four rounds of antibiotics before we deliver so that should take care of the infection. So if you’re not concerned about the fluid level and you’re not concerned about the infection, what else are you concerned about?


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               They said well really what’s your big issue with Pitocin and I said well I’m just really planning on using natural coping mechanisms and we’re going to let my body have time to do what it’s supposed to do and that’s the route we’re going to take. Sorry about the phone.


Sarah Blight:               It’s okay. Nice message. [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               [Laughs] So I told them that we were planning on having a natural delivery and that I just wanted time to allow my body to do what it’s supposed to do and I told them I know that most women within 24 to 48 hours will start contracting on their own. So I just want that time to be able to let my body do what it’s going to do. So they said well you’ve got until midnight and then we’ll be back to start your induction.


Sarah Blight:               So how long was that? How much time were they “giving” you? What time was –


Jamie Fuller:               They wanted me to deliver within 24 hours of my water –


Sarah Blight:               So they gave you about like what 12 hours to kind of get things going?


Jamie Fuller:               Well yeah, I got there at 5 o’clock and they gave me until midnight.


Sarah Blight:               Okay.


Jamie Fuller:               So seven hours and I hadn’t delivered at midnight, but I was dilated to about a 5 and then a regular contracting pattern then. So I knew that –


Sarah Blight:               So you were on your way?


Jamie Fuller:               — we were on our way so.


Sarah Blight:               So what gave you the gumption, the guts to really just like – and the with-it-ness to kind of just ask these questions when your husband’s not even there, your doula is not there?


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               So your birth support is not there.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               Obviously, you weren’t in pain at this point but what made you even think to like ask them what their concerns were?


Jamie Fuller:               Right. Well it wasn’t – I did feel like a little intimated. I did feel like it was kind of like a two on one and I had to really know what I was talking about to be able to advocate for myself. But we had actually kind of role played, my doula and I, before we went to the hospital all the scenarios that could come up and before they came up what my ideal outcome would be for those scenarios. So, you know, –


Sarah Blight:               That’s a good idea.


Jamie Fuller:               — we wanted an induction, we want to do a C-section, I knew to ask well what’s the problem, why are you saying that, what other options do we have, is this a decision we need to make right now, you know. So I really wanted them to give me a concrete answer aside from this is just what we normally do. I think that that’s really important. A lot of women think that your birth plan is something that you discuss with the doctor like the last visit before your due date, but it’s really important that you discuss that with your doctor early on in your care. Because you’re going to find out at that point whether the things that you want out of your delivery they’re comfortable with doing.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               I think that that’s so important. Doctors I feel like you know, they have a certain way and there’s hospital procedures and hospital practices and there’s a certain framework that they like to operate in and these are the things that they feel are comfortable and safe and that’s fine. They should do that.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               But it’s important that I found somebody that I felt like supported what I wanted and was willing to work with me and talk with me about that. Of course, he was on vacation when I went into labor. [Laughs]


Sarah Blight:               Right. Which isn’t that so just how it works.


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah.


Sarah Blight:               So it seems like as you’re telling us the story that you weren’t coming at it from a very combative or a very bitchy place.


Jamie Fuller:               Right, right.


Sarah Blight:               You were really coming at it from a slightly intimated you said place, but just a place of like okay, so what are your concerns, all right, how can we fix this.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               So that you get the outcome you want. That seems really different from I think when we think of being proactive and we think of being engaged, I think a lot of times we get this picture of like just a battle ax like charging through and just being really disrespectful. But it doesn’t sound like that was the case at all for you.


Jamie Fuller:               Well no and I think in the end, having a doula there was a big help because she was kind of the buffer. So took the nurses out into the hallway and said this is kind of the plan and I felt like she was not – you know, not to sound antagonistic but the first line of defense.



Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               Because they didn’t have to come to me with a lot of questions that in that time where you’re trying to focus on, you know, dealing with your contractions, you’re trying to focus on relaxation, you’ve got people trying to do their job and it can be irritating. It can take you out of kind of your safe place that you want to be in. So I really felt like the doula was helpful in that, but I knew above everything else that I had to get these people on my side.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               And I know that if you go into labor and delivery especially the nurses, they’ve got a desire to see healthy babies, healthy happy mamas and I knew that that’s why they were there too. So I really wanted to make sure that they understood that I respected their experience and their knowledge and that we were going to work together on an outcome that was good for all of us. But again –


Sarah Blight:               That’s a really neat perspective. I mean I think if women can really come at it from that place, I think there will be a lot more collaboration and just that feeling. So did the doctors – I mean they gave you until midnight to get the party started so to speak.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               But how did they respond? Were they taken aback? Do you think they offended, were they kind of surprised? What was their reaction as you were kind of asking them these questions?


Jamie Fuller:               I don’t think that they were taken aback and I don’t think that they felt like I was being argumentative.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               I kind of think they felt like well you’ve got no idea what natural labor is going to be like. We’ll just talk to you when you’re ready for your epidural.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               I kind of felt like the whole time that they were going to deal with me depending upon how I was dealing with the situation. You know, I felt like as long as I remained in control and able to have the discussions and able to advocate for myself and be present in what was going on versus kind of not with it or screaming.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               Or, you know, like I was –


Sarah Blight:               Irrational, yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               The whole time yeah, I just really wanted to be rational and present in what was going on and be involved in the process because I felt like that’s how I was empowered through the process. So I think that as long as I was able to kind of talk to them on a person-to-person real level that they were willing to work with me on that.


Sarah Blight:               Okay. So let’s skip ahead to the phase of your birth when you were pushing?


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah.


Sarah Blight:               And you pushed for five hours.


Jamie Fuller:               Yes.


Sarah Blight:               And some women are thinking, oh my god, people can push for five hours? You were doing this without any pain meds.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               So there was no epidural, there was no narcotics, there was nothing but your focus and the coping mechanisms. I think you said you were doing hypno birthing–


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               — so you were using a lot of those strategies and ways of kind of –


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               –dealing with the surges and stuff like that.


Jamie Fuller:               Thank you.


Sarah Blight:               I know they like to call it surges. So tell us the doctors came in to kind of see your progress and you’ve been pushing for quite some time and not making a lot of progress.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               Tell us what was going on at that point.


Jamie Fuller:               Well we didn’t know and there really was no way to have known but my son Seth was in the birth canal in kind of a wonky position. It’s called asynclitic were it wasn’t the front. Normally either the face is down or the face is up but he actually was coming through with his face sideways.


Sarah Blight:               Sideways. Okay.


Jamie Fuller:               So we were pushing and pushing and not making really any progress that you could see at all. So at about three hours, he came in and checked and how are you doing and we were – any position we could think of, you know, on our hands and knees, standing on top of the bed, standing bent over the bed, on the side with the leg in the air, in the stirrups, out of the stirrups.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               I think we probably changed positions 10 or 15 times.


Sarah Blight:               Wow.


Jamie Fuller:               And as exhausting as that was, in the end that’s what really helped to turn him and bring him through. I think had a I been with an epidural, flat on my back without being able to move and rotate my body along with the baby and him coming through that we wouldn’t have been able to get him, you know, –


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               — through vaginally. So I’m really grateful again to have not had the epidural because I honestly think not that the epidural would have caused –


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               — [0:14:26] [Indiscernible] but just by virtue of the fact that I wouldn’t have been able to change position –


Sarah Blight:               Move.


Jamie Fuller:               — and turn with his progression that we would have been stuck. So he came in and checked about three hours and he said I just don’t really see a lot of progress, what’s going on. I’m like we’re doing fine, we’re doing great. I’m like I know that a lot of women push for hours with their first baby. This is my first baby, I was expecting this, this is exactly what’s supposed to be happening. He’s like you’re absolutely right and I said well how long do you let people push and he said well there really isn’t a time limit on how long we let people push. He says normally women push for about three hours and I’m like well we’re there so let’s keep going. So he said okay, well I’m going to go take a nap and I’ll come back and about an hour later he’s like, oh, you haven’t really done much more than when I took the nap. He said I think we might be at the time where we decide we’re going to have a C-section. I said well how’s his heart rate and hey said well his heart looks fine. He looks like he’s tolerating labor and delivery really well. I said well how’s my blood pressure, well your blood pressure is fine and I said well, you know, how’s my temperature, well your temperature’s fine.


                                    And I’m like so the baby is fine and I’m fine and we don’t have any infection, why are we going to a C-section? He said well I just want to make sure that you’re not too tired to walk down the hall to the operating room. I told him I said if that’s the route we have to take, I’m not walking.


Sarah Blight:               [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               You’ll need to get people in here to carry me because I am here to push out his baby. He said, okay. He said I’ll give you another hour and then we’re going to really talk about the C-section and I said okay.


Sarah Blight:               So, okay I need to get back to the question I asked the first round of your questions was how at this point you’ve been in labor for hours and you’ve been pushing for hours, how did you have the gumption and the with-it-ness to ask about your temperature, about your blood pressure, about the baby?


Jamie Fuller:               Role-play, I’m not kidding.


Sarah Blight:               Okay.


Jamie Fuller:               Like we had really gone through every scenario. Like at one point a nurse may come in and ask you how your pain is and may offer drugs that will make you more comfortable, what’s your response going to be you know?


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               And you go through the questions and what the response could be and then what you say to that. We really just did our research and knew what was going to be offered to us, what we felt like was safe, what we felt like was reasonable to ask. Because we’re not asking them to do anything outside of what they should be comfortable with.


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               I’m a healthy woman, healthy pregnancy delivering a perfectly healthy baby. I really just wanted the time and the space to be able to do what my body was created to do so –


Sarah Blight:               But I think a lot of women at this point are going to be like all right, that sounds awesome and you’re a super hero, but –


Jamie Fuller:               No.


Sarah Blight:               You know, but a lot of women are going to say, okay, fine but I heard my friend or my sister they got to a certain point in their labor where they just want baby out and –


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               — any solutions that any doctors bring on the table they’re like done.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               Get this baby out of my body, I’m done, like I’m done.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               How were you so resolved to just really stay the course?


Jamie Fuller:               Really my husband and my doula. They would have said whatever you want to do do it. Like at this point you have done everything you could possibly do and if you want to get the C-section, do it. But I felt like I haven’t just come through all this, I haven’t come this far and negotiated for this experience. For 40 weeks, we’ve been preparing through hypno birthing and visualization so at the least second I knew that I was going to give every ounce of strength that I had to push the baby out.


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum. And you still felt like you had more in you? You definitely didn’t feel like you were done yet?


Jamie Fuller:               I felt like if I was awake, I had more in me.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               I’m not saying that that’s for everybody and I’m not saying that that would be me again the next time. [Laughs]


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               But I’m saying in that moment, I felt like I still had more to give and I knew as long as I still felt like I had more to give and there were people there who were supporting to give it that I was going to give it.


Sarah Blight:               So –


Jamie Fuller:               And if we did – oops.


Sarah Blight:               Oh, yeah, no go ahead.


Jamie Fuller:               If we did go to C-section then I would be passed out because I would have given everything I could to have pushed the baby out. At the end, I did ask, I really felt like I just couldn’t do it anymore. I was falling asleep in between pushes, like literally couldn’t keep my eyes open because I was so tired. I asked if a vacuum would help at this time or – you know, I did ask if there was anything that they could do to help me. He told me that he couldn’t really see enough of the head to get the vacuum on and I just had to keep pushing and so that’s just what we did. But I actually stood up on top of the bed at that point and they put a bar up there and I held on the to the bar and squatted down and that really, you know, like shortened the birth canal. You can feel when your pushes are being effective and you can feel when they’re not. You can feel the baby moving down. I knew when I kind of got the hang of what was really being effective at that point then I could focus in on that and then when it stopped being effective we would change positions until we found something else that felt like it was working.


Sarah Blight:               So we’re here four years later and your baby did come out by the way right?


Jamie Fuller:               He did. He did. He was perfect. His head looked like a stovepipe. It went like this and then it went to the side literally.


Sarah Blight:               [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               I don’t have a picture of it but it was the freakiest thing ever.


Sarah Blight:               [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               And he was perfect.



Sarah Blight:               But he was perfectly healthy, nothing wrong and you were one tired mama who definitely deserved to rest.


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah.


Sarah Blight:               Okay. So did you get the birth that you really set out to when you walked in those hospital doors and then you left the hospital with your son?


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah.


Sarah Blight:               Did you get the birth that you felt like you really desired?


Jamie Fuller:               Everything.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               From A to Z.


Sarah Blight:               And what do you attribute that to–


Jamie Fuller:               And power–


Sarah Blight:               Yeah. What do attribute that to?


Jamie Fuller:               Doing your homework and knowing what they’re going to offer and knowing how you’re going to respond and knowing that you can’t really make those decisions until you’re in the moment to do it so it’s fine to have a plan. But whatever you feel like you need to do in the moment that that’s okay to do. But still practice up, know what they’re going to offer, know how you’re going to respond to it, know what the alternatives are and have somebody in the room, a doula, somebody usually other than you partner because they sometimes aren’t a lot of help.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               But have somebody else there to advocate for your wishes to kind of be the buffer. And I was just grateful to get a wonderful nurse who was really excited and passionate about natural delivery and wanted to be there and help me so –


Sarah Blight:               And you said she cried harder than you did when your baby finally came out right? [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               And I didn’t realize — like she goes, I really did not think you were going to – [Laughs] Her name is Christine and she bawling and she’s like I haven’t cried at a birth since the first year I was a nurse.


Sarah Blight:               [Laughs]


Jamie Fuller:               But, you know, it’s amazing what your body can do when you –


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               — when you purpose yourself to do it and –


Sarah Blight:               Well and it’s amazing what your mind can do because you had really set your mind. It sounds like you were very singularly focused on this is what I really want as long as my baby and I are healthy and able to do it, this is really what I want. And so it sounds like your preparation and everything around that really speaks to that. For mamas who are planning on having a hospital birth and are educating themselves right now, what advice do you have for them as far as how to best prepare and when should they start?


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah. I started with hypno birthing about month 5 of my pregnancy and I think that that really helped because I would spend a good hour a day focusing and listening to tapes and positive affirmations and relaxation. Because I think we’re kind of in a culture where we’re a little removed from birthing our baby. A lot of women are going to birth their baby and it’s going to be the first birth that they’ve ever seen so they might not know what a natural birth looks like or what a natural birth how that plays out. So I think educating yourself on positive birth experiences if you can shut off the baby story, if you can shut off TLC and really only focus on women who have kind of delivery that you want to have, you know?


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum.


Jamie Fuller:               And write it down. This is what I want to get out of my delivery from A to Z. That’s not to say you put A to Z in your birth plan.


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               But just focus on creating the experience that you really want to have and start early because it’s not too early. You really have to have a paradigm shift from thinking that birth this this horrific traumatic experience to thinking that birth can be an empowering and, you know, something that prepares you into your first steps of parenthood, you know.


Sarah Blight:               Well it sounds like you made an investment not only monetarily by preparing but also time-wise.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               It sounds like it was really an investment and what you really received from it is really what you put into it.


Jamie Fuller:               Right.


Sarah Blight:               Would you agree with that?


Jamie Fuller:               Absolutely, yeah.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               And I felt like – I don’t know. This is going to sound silly. I’m not a woman who takes a lot of time to do my hair and a lot of time to do my nails, but I felt like that time that I was taking in preparing for my birth experience was like rejuvenating and therapeutic. I felt like it was an investment into me as a woman, an investment into me as a mother. I felt really affirmed that my husband thought it was important to make the kind of investment time-wise and monetarily to come to the classes to practice the techniques, to research different positions that we could use for delivery. So I really felt like that was my spa. Like I felt like that affirming me as a woman and really, really key to how everything played out because I was so determined to have a natural delivery. I mean you’ll hear like the word cascade of intervention and women should Google that what that is in relationship to birth. Because didn’t want anybody to ever say really all we want is a healthy, happy baby. You know isn’t that going to make you happy? Yes of course that’s what I want more than anything is a healthy, happy baby and I didn’t want that to ever be like a good enough reason for me to allow them to just manage the birth the way the saw fit.


                                    So I knew that when they asked if I do you mind if we just insert a little electrode in there so we can monitor the baby, I knew that that would introduce maybe some bacteria. Or if they had to break my water at that point then the clock would start ticking and I would only have 24 hours to deliver. I knew that if that happened then they’re going to recommend Pitocin if I’m not, you know? So all these things that happen and happen. And they’ll come in and say is we really just want a chance to monitor your baby, don’t you think that’s a good idea? Well any mom is going to go yes, monitor my baby–


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               — that’s a great idea. It’s important that you understand that if you say yes, monitor my baby that that’s going to start this and that’s going to start this and then you’re going to be way far away from an outcome that you wanted initially when you walked in so.


Sarah Blight:               Let’s get back to and you briefly mentioned this and I’ll have a list at the bottom of the interview the questions that you asked. What types of questions do you recommend that mamas ask when you’re being kind of inundated with these scenarios?


Jamie Fuller:               During the delivery?


Sarah Blight:               Yes.


Jamie Fuller:               Or beforehand?


Sarah Blight:               Yeah, during the delivery?


Jamie Fuller:               Well I think it was always important to me to know how the baby’s heart rate is. Then if for some reason the baby’s heart rate isn’t reassuring, what they called it doesn’t mean that it’s bad but if it’s not what they’re looking for knowing that if you change positions and ask them to find the heart rate again sometimes that that helps things. Also taking deep breaths that that will help the baby’s heart rate so. And then I wanted to know what my blood pressure. Because I was GBS positive, group B strep positive, I always asked what my temperature was which was something they were monitoring really regularly anyway.


Sarah Blight:               And then you also asked questions like what are you concerned about, right?


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah.


Sarah Blight:               With it, more general questions?


Jamie Fuller:               Right. Right.


Sarah Blight:               So what are some of those types of questions?


Jamie Fuller:               Well even though I felt like I was really educated customer and I already knew kind of the answers to some of the questions I was asking –


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               But I would ask, you know, is there something that you’re seeing that’s making you offer this or what is it that you’re concerned about at this point and what other options do we have aside from that and can we make that decision a little bit later? I wanted to be at the point where they had to tell me something was definitely wrong and then of course I would be like do whatever you’ve got to do. But I really just wanted to have the dialogue because I felt like when we were working together that that was going to get the best outcome for all of us. They were going to be respected in what their practices and procedures were and I was going to be heard because I was having the dialogue. So sometimes the questions weren’t even so much to get to the real answer.


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               But it was just to open up the communication so we could be on the same side, you know?


Sarah Blight:               Uh-hum. That’s really great. I like that perspective. Just opening up the communication as a way – you know, question asking. Any other questions that you would ask generally speaking if people are kind of being inundated with some suggestions of things that they can do, interventions? You mentioned what are you concerned about, what other options are there, can we make this decision later. Were there any other questions that you felt were particularly helpful?


Jamie Fuller:               I guess the answer for me isn’t necessarily what specific questions, but the fact that you’re coming at it in a questioning way versus them coming in to say well we’re going to need to start an induction and you say heck no, I’m not here for an induction, you know? Like whatever you can say that opens up the dialogue for it to be a two-way. Anything you can think to ask that’s going to get them talking and revealing information about what’s going on specifically with you. I just think whatever you want to ask, ask and keep asking questions until you get an answer that you feel comfortable with. It’s always so much easier to talk to somebody who you feel like you’re appealing to them and their experience and their knowledge. They’re going to be much more open to helping you and explaining to you why they want to do what they want to do versus saying sorry that’s not on our birth plan you know?


Sarah Blight:               Right.


Jamie Fuller:               Like really I mean they’re human beings there to do a job but they ultimately are there to help you.


Sarah Blight:               Yeah.


Jamie Fuller:               And when you can keep it open and respectful going both ways, you’re going to have a better chance of getting the outcome that you want you know?


Sarah Blight:               Awesome. Well I appreciate you sharing your story with us. I think it’s really encouraging to know that you can have a hospital birth even the doctor was on vacation and you had a doctor you weren’t even super familiar with and you were still able to really push through and be engaged in your birth experience and your baby came out and he was healthy.


Jamie Fuller:               Yeah. He was perfect.


Sarah Blight:               To all the mamas who are watching, if you have any thoughts or questions or comments about this topic, please leave them below this interview. We’re happy and excited to engage with you and to be engaged with you in conversation. Thanks, Jamie, again for sharing. To all the mamas watching, we’ll see you soon.

  • Kendra

    This is an AMAZING story! Watching how Jamie used her knowledge through labor & birth was pretty remarkable. I want to be pregnant. And I want to be able to work with my doctor (or midwife, I haven’t decided yet :) ) to have a natural birth in a hospital. Watching this was like watching someone painting a picture in front of your eyes on how being prepared really makes a big difference in the outcome of birth. Bravo Jamie, amazing!

    • yourbabybooty

      Jamie is fabulous isn’t she? I love how she so honestly shares her experience. She’s a really good communicator too, isn’t she? We’re so happy that you found this helpful Kendra! Good luck on your pregnancy journey, we have LOTs of stuff to help you on your way! Check out our resources 101 page too:)

  • Jessica M.

    Inspiring, truly inspiring. Echoing what Kendra said below, I know it’s important to be prepared, but actually seeing how your preparedness is put to use was super helpful for me. I’m a visual learner and Jamie helped me see how it can be done. Sarah, I know you guys are trying to help pregnant moms understand “the why” in their decisions, this did that for me. This is motivation to know what the evidence says. I never knew your knowledge and direction during labor & birth could have such an influence on how the birth happens. Thanks Jamie for sharing & thanks Your Baby Booty for everything I just learned! You guys rock!

    • yourbabybooty

      Thanks Jessica! You are right on, the “why” is huge when learning anything (maybe a good reason my toddler asks “why” at every turn! You really get to the heart of it when you ask that question:)

  • Stampifoot

    This is a great video, is there any way to be able to get/buy a copy at all? I am a hypnobirthing teacher and I’d really love to use this as a teaching tool.

    • yourbabybooty

      Doesn’t Jamie do such a great job of explaining how to navigate through Labor & Birth with your provider? I wish I had watched this before my first! We’ll email you privately about your question. Cheers!